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Rattlebone
11-06-2008, 07:30 AM
Nice performance 'champ'.
Donate that check to your favorite charity.
Kimberly
11-06-2008, 07:59 AM
Sucks that he didn't have to give up his belt. He certainly doesn't deserve it.
Yeah that was bullshit! That's not what being a champ is about. Come ready to fight, lay off the tortillas for a bit buddy so you can make weight. What a loser. I have no respect after I heard about all that nonsense.
Rattlebone
11-06-2008, 08:12 AM
I agree.
Maybe he was groggy or gassed from cutting weight. Still, there is no excuse for sleepwalking in the cage. Filho showed zero respect for his opponent or slightest interest in the bout.
The belt no longer fit him anyway.
he wasn't impressive in the ring at all. What a way to get respect and fans....NOT!!! True that rattlebone, the belt no longer fit his fat ass anyway! What a loser.
Kimberly
11-06-2008, 08:36 AM
Maybe that was his strategy. He probably knew Chael would beat him so showed up in that condition knowing it wouldn't be considered a title bout anymore. What a f'ing loser!
Rattlebone
11-06-2008, 09:00 AM
EVERY ranking should drop his ass from their top 10...TODAY.
Yeah Ej I agree. I bet that is why he did that. I think if you have a belt and show up like that you should lose it right then and there. A champ should not behave that way. What a big fat loser (literally)
WinMor
11-06-2008, 03:33 PM
I have never seen a fighter lay on his back and kick as much as he did! What a huge dissapointment! lazy ass:mad:
ama6730
11-06-2008, 03:55 PM
That was a joke. I was wanting Chael to knock his ass into oblivion.
same here!!! Kick that fat man's ass! What a joke!
Jessica_1979
11-06-2008, 04:50 PM
I am in full agreement,
I think that the CHampion (belt holder) shoulb be required in their contract to make weight. And the title should be automatically taken away if that situation happens. What an embarassment...I imagine he feels like the loser he is anyways.... but I can't knock his ground game...hes a killa down there!
btwist4life
11-06-2008, 09:32 PM
I am glad that I am among friends here. I was so pissed off about Filho. He didn't care at all. Like "Well I won't lose my belt...so...Maybe I'll just lay here." What a dick.
Matth
11-07-2008, 01:28 AM
Filho just didnt seem to be bothered at all. For the whole first round all he did was lay on his back and throw half assed kicks
Lucky7
11-07-2008, 08:28 AM
I agree.
Maybe he was groggy or gassed from cutting weight. Still, there is no excuse for sleepwalking in the cage. Filho showed zero respect for his opponent or slightest interest in the bout.
The belt no longer fit him anyway.
You don't get gassed from cutting weight...he may have been drained/dehydrated, but most likely he was taking something "stimulant-like" to help shed weight, so he should have been "up".
I'm not going too far out on a limb saying he looked fucked up, as in drugs...
He had a game plan (take it to the ground so he could get some kind of leg/ankle lock), but it just didn't work.
Rattlebone
11-07-2008, 10:07 AM
You don't get gassed from cutting weight...he may have been drained/dehydrated, but most likely he was taking something "stimulant-like" to help shed weight, so he should have been "up".
I'm not going too far out on a limb saying he looked fucked up, as in drugs...
He had a game plan (take it to the ground so he could get some kind of leg/ankle lock), but it just didn't work.
FORCING your opponent into a ground game can be a strong tactic.
Lying down for a nap was... LIMP.
Kimberly
11-07-2008, 12:08 PM
FORCING your opponent into a ground game can be a strong tactic.
Lying down for a nap was... LIMP.
OMG Rattlebone, too funny!!!! :D I think even I would have stood a chance against Paulo!
ama6730
11-07-2008, 02:23 PM
No doubt you could have kicked his ass. That was a pathetic attempt to take the fight to the ground.
Let's see, I think I'll just go lay down in the cage and see if he will follow me???
bakogymrat
11-07-2008, 03:40 PM
Could you imagine if we did PPV for this fight? I would have been ticked
Rattlebone
11-07-2008, 03:54 PM
Could you imagine if we did PPV for this fight? I would have been ticked
Thats for sure. WEC has GOT to be pissed. If he's still ranked among the top 10 after snoozing in the cage someones tripping.
bakogymrat
11-07-2008, 03:56 PM
rumor is WEC will be headed to PPV by next year...OY! no tengo moolah!
NickyD240
11-07-2008, 04:08 PM
Lies!!! I hope not.
Rattlebone
11-07-2008, 04:18 PM
rumor is WEC will be headed to PPV by next year...OY! no tengo moolah!
Going PPV would be bleak and chill the momentum mma is having. Also spinning is the possibilty of a WEC/UFC merger. That might be interesting and good for the sport.
That sould suck!!!! I too am broke like Bako! (ha ha that sounds like the title of that gay cowboy movie)
I love not having to pay to watch the WEC!
bakogymrat
11-08-2008, 01:01 PM
Ok. New news: WEC is re-thinking PPV because Urijah is not the current (that'll change) champ.
From what I read he is sending the belt to Sonnen and is moving up to 205. He's a little short for 205 if you ask me.
Kimberly
11-09-2008, 09:54 AM
Ok. New news: WEC is re-thinking PPV because Urijah is not the current (that'll change) champ.
Urijah is definitely the face of the WEC but there are other fighters that I think have great appeal and great talent. Carlos Condit and Miguel Torres could definitely bring in people to the WEC with thier kick ass fighting (and good looks). The WEC should be promoting these guys too. This is just my opinion, you guys/gals may think differently.
NickyD240
11-09-2008, 10:48 AM
From what I read he is sending the belt to Sonnen and is moving up to 205. He's a little short for 205 if you ask me.
Hope thats true. Sonnen deserves it, not him.
Rattlebone
11-09-2008, 04:38 PM
Urijah is definitely the face of the WEC but there are other fighters that I think have great appeal and great talent. Carlos Condit and Miguel Torres could definitely bring in people to the WEC with thier kick ass fighting (and good looks). The WEC should be promoting these guys too. This is just my opinion, you guys/gals may think differently.
Agree 100% Ej. Condit and Torres are well-respected, awesome fighters. Keen examples of the type of fighter WEC would do well to spotlight. Our sport should steer clear of backyard brawlers and pro-wrestler retreads. Lets keep raising the level in MMA.
ama6730
11-09-2008, 05:32 PM
"Our sport should steer clear of backyard brawlers and pro-wrestler retreads. Lets keep raising the level in MMA."
A-Men Rattlebone! MMA is a quickly growing sport because of fighters like Urijah, and Carlos. The sport don't need any more Kimbos or Brocks.
Kimberly
11-09-2008, 06:15 PM
Rattlebone - yeah, after seeing that fight between Condit and Miura I had a new found respect for Condit. Thought he could easily be a face of the WEC. Better for them to promote several people and not just one. Not that I think Urijah doesn't deserve it, he's incredible! And definitely my favorite fighter. It's just not smart business to put all your eggs in one basket.
Tuff240
11-10-2008, 05:02 AM
"Our sport should steer clear of backyard brawlers and pro-wrestler retreads. Lets keep raising the level in MMA."
A-Men Rattlebone! MMA is a quickly growing sport because of fighters like Urijah, and Carlos. The sport don't need any more Kimbos or Brocks.But if you don't let those guys have a chance like every other athlete does, would it really be considered ultimate fighting anymore? It's the biggest, baddest and the best fighting it out however they see fit to win a fight. The posers will be quickly found out and discarded.
I agree with you 100% Ej. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, it seems like they might be doing that. Good stuff.
JBNTX
11-10-2008, 09:47 AM
He did not even attempt to make weight, a fighter that weights in that much overweight is ducking that fight. He did not want to lose his belt. Cutting weight is part of the holy grail for fighters !! Missing weight is viewed as poor work ethic and dedication, missing weight by well over 5 pounds proof that Philo is a coward and did not want to lose his belt.
Maybe he is still retaining water from all the oxycotin he took prior to rehab !!
You are in the same light a Caleb Starnes now Paulo you big sissy !!
Rattlebone
11-10-2008, 10:41 AM
But if you don't let those guys have a chance like every other athlete does, would it really be considered ultimate fighting anymore? It's the biggest, baddest and the best fighting it out however they see fit to win a fight. The posers will be quickly found out and discarded.
Of course. Any athlete willing and able to throw down in the cage among the MMA's best should be given that opportunity. Problem is, promoters disrespect the established fighters (whose blood brings big bucks), and belittles our great sport by fronting juiced-up fakes and streetfighters as the face and future of MMA. Has Randy Couture, GSP, Jens Pulver, Miguel Torres and others recieved even CLOSE to the face value coverage of the Kimbo's and Lesnars? No way. Promoters and agents stalking MMA gyms for recovered steroid freaks and socio-paths as 'worthy challengers', while holding many real deal fighters to undercards, only hinders the growth of the sport we love. Image and advertisement aside, we ain't never letting anyone run our sport its warriors into the ash heap of 'pro-wrestling'.
Kimberly
11-10-2008, 11:40 AM
Of course. Any athlete willing and able to throw down in the cage among the MMA's best should be given that opportunity. Problem is, promoters disrespect the established fighters (whose blood brings big bucks), and belittles our great sport by fronting juiced-up fakes and streetfighters as the face and future of MMA. Has Randy Couture, GSP, Jens Pulver, Miguel Torres and others recieved even CLOSE to the face value coverage of the Kimbo's and Lesnars? No way. Promoters and agents stalking MMA gyms for recovered steroid freaks and socio-paths as 'worthy challengers', while holding many real deal fighters to undercards, only hinders the growth of the sport we love. Image and advertisement aside, we ain't never letting anyone run our sport its warriors into the ash heap of 'pro-wrestling'.
Well said Rattlebone - I am bowing down to you!
No shit Rattlebone!!! Well said! That was a great read, thanks!
ama6730
11-10-2008, 02:04 PM
Thank you Rattlebone. That's exactly what I meant when I said we've had enough Kimbos and Brocks.
Rattlebone
11-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Rattlebone - yeah, after seeing that fight between Condit and Miura I had a new found respect for Condit. Thought he could easily be a face of the WEC. Better for them to promote several people and not just one. Not that I think Urijah doesn't deserve it, he's incredible! And definitely my favorite fighter. It's just not smart business to put all your eggs in one basket.
Right On Ej. Carlos Condit is among those elite guys whose fierce cage skills and humble nature puts them miles ahead. Clay Guida and Roger Huerta also come to mind, having paid their dues and deserving of better recognition.
Felix
11-10-2008, 02:56 PM
Of course. Any athlete willing and able to throw down in the cage among the MMA's best should be given that opportunity. Problem is, promoters disrespect the established fighters (whose blood brings big bucks), and belittles our great sport by fronting juiced-up fakes and streetfighters as the face and future of MMA. Has Randy Couture, GSP, Jens Pulver, Miguel Torres and others recieved even CLOSE to the face value coverage of the Kimbo's and Lesnars? No way. Promoters and agents stalking MMA gyms for recovered steroid freaks and socio-paths as 'worthy challengers', while holding many real deal fighters to undercards, only hinders the growth of the sport we love. Image and advertisement aside, we ain't never letting anyone run our sport its warriors into the ash heap of 'pro-wrestling'.
i understand your point, BUT - a promoter's job is to put people in seats and get PPV buys, and kimbo & brock sell.
kimbo slice = trains mma full time, brock lesnar = trains mma full time...who's to say those guys don't deserve to be called "fighters"? they put in as much work as (most) anyone else...so those guys came into the sport with high-profiles, for different reasons, and what are they supposed to do, say, "no thanks i'd rather fight for peanuts, please give me a minimal pay & use the rest of my would-be purse to pay a lesser known fighter that's been training a few more years than i have - he deserves it more than i do" ???
kimbo & brock wanna make money just like anyone else. and if there's guys in gyms that are bitching that they should be getting more money & attention (instead of the kimbo/brock's), then its up to THEM to create the fanbase & demand to see them fight.
No doubt they put people into seats and people want to see them fight, I guess from a business stand point that is what it's all about. But what irritates me is that these guys don't have any where near the skill level as the other fighters who aren't getting the promotions and spot lights. I don't know, that was just my 2 cents for ya!
ama6730
11-10-2008, 04:22 PM
I can see both points. Everything revolves around money. But it rubs me the wrong way when someone with virtually no MMA skills is paid more when he looses a fight than someone like Urijah or Carlos are paid when they win one. I have nothing against Kimbo or Brock personally. They're just out to make money like the rest of us. I don't blame them. It's the organization I blame for promoting the sport in such a bad way.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I just want MMA to be promoted as a legitimate sport with skillful athletes, not in a way that just fills seats like pro wrestling. And it can be done...it may take a little longer, but it can be done.
Forrest
11-10-2008, 05:57 PM
where was his head??!! and why did he continue to look over his shoulder? was he expecting his corner to do something for him??? the guy was not only out of shape, but seemed spacey (big time). talk about not being in the fight.
I am a wrestling fan and here is a little history on Brock. He was a legit champion in college. After college is when he got into pro wrestling. He hated it after all the traveling he had to do. So he got permission to hire a friend of his to fly a small plane to shows. He was making way more in wrestling then he does in mma. He walked away from all of it even though his travel was lessened. Then he tried to play football but was only offered a spot on the practice squad for the Vikings so he didn't want to take that. Then he started to train in mma and we are at this point. He's legit has he paid his dues? No but that doesn't matter.
Like Felix said and it is something that has bugged me and people just don't understand its not about the most deserving fighter its who can make the most money for the company and he can. He had a huge buyrate the first time he fought in the UFC do to the wrestling crossover.
Way to put it Ama, I think that is what I was trying to say but couldn't put as well as you did. Agreed 100%.
Forrest
11-10-2008, 07:47 PM
maybe the UFC ought to at least consider having a different division... one where professional and non-professional athletes from other sports compete (i.e. Brock Lesnar and Kimbo Slice), and that if you fall into this catagory, then you cannot compete with others who have proven themselves as true MMA fighters for some period of time, THEN once you have come up through the ranks and proven yourself as an MMA fighter, THEN you can fight in that division.. (personally i hope they don't do this, but is only a suggestion if they continue to go this direction).
it's all about money really, the UFC will continue with people like Lesnar because it draws big money. there are really no ratings, it's who ever will draw the biggest gate ($$$).
Rattlebone
11-10-2008, 08:59 PM
i understand your point, BUT - a promoter's job is to put people in seats and get PPV buys, and kimbo & brock sell.
kimbo slice = trains mma full time, brock lesnar = trains mma full time...who's to say those guys don't deserve to be called "fighters"? they put in as much work as (most) anyone else...so those guys came into the sport with high-profiles, for different reasons, and what are they supposed to do, say, "no thanks i'd rather fight for peanuts, please give me a minimal pay & use the rest of my would-be purse to pay a lesser known fighter that's been training a few more years than i have - he deserves it more than i do" ???
kimbo & brock wanna make money just like anyone else. and if there's guys in gyms that are bitching that they should be getting more money & attention (instead of the kimbo/brock's), then its up to THEM to create the fanbase & demand to see them fight.
Too bad the experienced, hardknock veterans of MMA don't carry the same 'pedigree' as WWF hacks or YouTube brawlers. Every agent in Vegas would be bum-rushing their gyms for interviews and photo-ops - cash in hand. An instant plastic fanbase!
I'd take a step or two further Felix. UFC/WEC should impose a 12-month moratorium on 'show'-wrestlers entering into fight contracts. Let them hone their skills among MMA brethern in the gym. THAT might tone down their scripted cocky-crowing! Also, promoters must be discouraged from re-airing (ad-nauseum) lame WWF promo footage of their fighters from their show days prior to UFC/WEC events.
Let me be clear. I am NOT begrudging the athlete. Anyone from carpenter to circus clown prepared for war in the cage deserves an equal chance.
Recall, professional boxing was going belly up long before the rise of MMA. Greedy agents and slime-ball promoters were the major cause for it's downfall. Performance-wrestling is now a dying road show. The growth of MMA, respect for its warriors and public support is SUPER CRUCIAL. It must NEVER risk being confused with, or tainted through, associations with that gawd-awful, bullshit excuse for entertainment.
I know you love this sport bro'. All of us do. Just as fighters strive for the best, encouraging one another to a higher level, we simply should expect the BEST from agents, management and promoters. At very least, our warriors deserve protection outside the cage.
The future IS MMA! Guard it well. Peace.
JBNTX
11-11-2008, 06:47 AM
First and foremost the UFC and WEC are a BUSINESS !! Like Felix has stated, no one in his right mind is gonna turn down alot of cash for a lesser payday when they know they are not as good as they are being hyped up to be, does that mean we have to like them NO, HAS THE PROMOTER DONE HIS JOB ??????? Hell yes because now everyone that sees through the bullshit wants to see the non worthy fighter get his ass kicked which still puts asses in seats and sell PPV buys !! Remember these guys we love to hate, are all part of the big picture, without them we would have no drama, and that is what keeps life interesting !!
i understand your point, BUT - a promoter's job is to put people in seats and get PPV buys, and kimbo & brock sell.
kimbo slice = trains mma full time, brock lesnar = trains mma full time...who's to say those guys don't deserve to be called "fighters"? they put in as much work as (most) anyone else...so those guys came into the sport with high-profiles, for different reasons, and what are they supposed to do, say, "no thanks i'd rather fight for peanuts, please give me a minimal pay & use the rest of my would-be purse to pay a lesser known fighter that's been training a few more years than i have - he deserves it more than i do" ???
kimbo & brock wanna make money just like anyone else. and if there's guys in gyms that are bitching that they should be getting more money & attention (instead of the kimbo/brock's), then its up to THEM to create the fanbase & demand to see them fight.
Rattlebone
11-11-2008, 09:29 AM
First and foremost the UFC and WEC are a BUSINESS !! Like Felix has stated, no one in his right mind is gonna turn down alot of cash for a lesser payday when they know they are not as good as they are being hyped up to be, does that mean we have to like them NO, HAS THE PROMOTER DONE HIS JOB ??????? Hell yes because now everyone that sees through the bullshit wants to see the non worthy fighter get his ass kicked which still puts asses in seats and sell PPV buys !! Remember these guys we love to hate, are all part of the big picture, without them we would have no drama, and that is what keeps life interesting !!
You just proved my point bro'.
Rattlebone
11-11-2008, 01:36 PM
Bro's Felix & JB. I understand and share your concerns for the biz' aspect of MMA. The bottom line of any successful sport is the ability to generate sponsors and fill seats at live venues. I think we agree that the future of MMA looks pretty damn bright. Hardcore fans see skilled warriors challenge both themselves and others in sometimes fierce, wicked bouts. We witness acts of mutual respect, props from an exhausted loser to the winner, concern from a winner to the loser following a severe beat down. Words of encouragement exchanged. Solid stuff! Making MMA UNIQUE in a sportsworld of murder-mouthing morons, locker room sucker-punchers and onfield brawls. My concern is that ad-agencies and promoters are coming dangerously close to cloning our strong, classy MMA with that weak, carnival geek WWE,to lure in newbies from the dying 'show'-wrestling crowd.
I agree with you on this JB - Delusional steroid-junkies and 'hood bullies simply jonesin' for a champs belt WILL be sorted out by slaughter in the cage. We just don't need that 'good/bad guy' game or RAW 'entertainment' to mess with the greatness of MMA. Promoters would do well to showcase OUR fighters - their lives, struggles and stories yet untapped.
Pardon my rants on this issue. Hope we can at least agree to disagree. You are why MMA fanatics are the best and brightest! Most of all, you are among my bro's/sistas in Urijah's fan-tastic community.
Peace.
BROCK LESNAR VS KIMBO SLICE- To see whose legit hahahahah
thats just like a street fight. except lesnar would whoop him the second it got to the ground. 2 unexperienced dudes. at least lesnar got a legit wrestling background
Paulo Filho turned into about 6 threads rolled into one:D
Rattlebone
11-11-2008, 04:31 PM
I can see both points. Everything revolves around money. But it rubs me the wrong way when someone with virtually no MMA skills is paid more when he looses a fight than someone like Urijah or Carlos are paid when they win one. I have nothing against Kimbo or Brock personally. They're just out to make money like the rest of us. I don't blame them. It's the organization I blame for promoting the sport in such a bad way.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I just want MMA to be promoted as a legitimate sport with skillful athletes, not in a way that just fills seats like pro wrestling. And it can be done...it may take a little longer, but it can be done.
Amen ama. If had read this earlier I would have kept my big trap shut.
Rattlebone
11-11-2008, 04:33 PM
Paulo Filho turned into about 6 threads rolled into one:D
Think Paulo eats 6 MEALS rolled into one.
Kimberly
11-11-2008, 10:54 PM
Think Paulo eats 6 MEALS rolled into one.
Wouldn't doubt it!
By the Rattlebone, I'm glad you didn't keep your big trap shut as you put it. I enjoyed reading both sides of the debate. You're posts are very articulate and makes for great reading. So, thanks for speaking up!
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